i'm happy for you, and i'm glad that you can stomach the arrogance and vitriol that permeates that site

however, please do not let it affect your grasp of reality

according to everybody else in the world, access and mysql are certainly real enough, and they are indisputably relational databases

for someone to denigrate these two excellent products, used by millions of people around the world, based only on some perceived shortcomings as measured against theoretical and idealistic standards, only reveals how far removed from reality the speaker is

according to those theoretical and idealistic standards, there is no product in existence which could be called a "real relational database"

yes, i've heard of Tutorial D, but i don't think it has displaced too many access or mysql installations -- let's revisit this subject when it starts to get picked up by some fortune 500 (or even fortune 5000) companies