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08-17-07, 02:42
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08-17-07, 03:22
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08-17-07, 03:28
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I wish they had asked blindman to respond to the original article. Dr. Mark does a sterling job at averting a flame war - but at what cost?
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08-17-07, 03:35
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At worst application developers tend to see the application as king and the database as an inconveniently complex and obstructive repository in which they are occasionally forced to store data
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At worst database developers see the database as a temple and applications as annoying processes that, unless watched closely, will trash the temple, despoil the data and mangle the meaning.
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08-17-07, 04:50
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What exactly are they talking about here? Is "EDBD" like Object Oriented design?
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08-17-07, 07:14
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it's "evolutionary" database design
did you read the other article that yours links to?
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08-17-07, 08:48
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The developers then take this off into a corner and add the geeky, technical stuff (data types, indexes, etc.)
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Good Lord
I stopped reading at this point
There is nothing that will beat the relational model
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08-17-07, 08:56
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Ever? That's a bold statement.
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08-17-07, 09:01
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What a load of crap
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What should we do to address the problem of poor database design?
Address the other issues, of course:
Employ highly intelligent people for both design and maintenance.
Work hard to train and motivate them.
Give them the resources to follow the chosen methodology properly.
Do not force them to implement changes without proper consideration.
Ensure that they do not bog down the change management process in too much red tape.
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08-17-07, 09:02
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Lol. Which points specifically?
I'm sure you fire at everything when the red mist gets you....
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08-17-07, 10:29
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Scott Ambler is an idiot who is merely trying to sell his book to other idiots who already believe the nonsense he is spewing. In short, he is the Ann Coulter of application design.
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08-17-07, 10:40
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08-17-07, 10:41
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Originally Posted by Brett Kaiser
OK, and who is that?
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she's an american political commentator, and you should know that if i do
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08-17-07, 10:42
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This has got to be the guy
http://www.ambysoft.com/
I love his page header...what a moron
Best Practices for Software Development
A good developer knows that there is more to development than programming.
A great developer knows that there is more to development than development.
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08-17-07, 10:50
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Originally Posted by blindman
Scott Ambler is an idiot who is merely trying to sell his book to other idiots who already believe the nonsense he is spewing. In short, he is the Ann Coulter of application design.
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That's why I wish you had written the response.
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