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Old 11-04-08, 09:54
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rofl...

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Old 11-04-08, 10:56
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It's kind of inspiring to see people moved to vote, and it doesn't matter to me which way... but that they were moved at all.
We've already conclusively demonstrated twice that nearly 50% of the U.S. electorate is too stupid to be allowed in a polling booth.
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Old 11-04-08, 11:14
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All the more reason for us to go vote and at least try to balance it the other way, right?

It's going to be an interesting day. Apparently, someone just drove their pickup into one of the polling offices just across the border in Wisconsin... he didn't even bother to unhitch his boat. No one was injured, but he hit the back of the building hard enough that they have to move everything to a different building. People were pissed.
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Old 11-04-08, 12:13
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We've already conclusively demonstrated twice that nearly 50% of the U.S. electorate is too stupid to be allowed in a polling booth.
True, but it was actually the Supreme Court elected him the first time.

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Old 11-04-08, 12:37
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Please remember that your non US readers have to flip a coin to guess which candidate your talking about.
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Old 11-04-08, 12:40
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Ouch!
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Old 11-04-08, 12:51
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Don't worry, Mike. It is almost guaranteed that 40% of the population will be in deep mourning tomorrow. We still have to work out which side it will be, though.
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Old 11-04-08, 12:53
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Actually, we assumed you were intelligent and already knew. Because voting for that other guy is just nonsense.

Right?

And unless we let the Supreme Court step in and steal the election again, I think everyone knows what the outcome is going to be...
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Old 11-04-08, 13:18
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Please remember that your non US readers have to flip a coin to guess which candidate your talking about.
I would have expected you folks to take a more personal interest in the Election Of The President Of The Free World, even if you are not eligible to vote in it.
Really no excuse for such apathy.
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Old 11-04-08, 13:45
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I would have expected you folks to take a more personal interest in the Election Of The President Of The Free World, even if you are not eligible to vote in it.
Really no excuse for such apathy.
...because?
as you say there is direct interest for non US citizens
it doesn't matter what we do, say or think its up to US citizens to decide who (perhaps what) they want. In my books that's exactly how it should be, US citizens should decide who they want, without outside interference.

We are so far removed from the direct information that I suspect virtually no one outside the US is suitable qualified to make an informed decision. Certainly the UK media (especially the Beeb and particularly Channel 4) are so pro O'Bama, and before that so pro Clinton that its hard to be objective.

Ultimately it doens't matter that much, except you know the politicians you elect will ultimately betray their promises and make a right dogs dinner of it. The rich will get richer, governemtn will be for 'them' not 'us' however you define 'them' and 'us'

Personally I've heard and read very little about policies and intentions. Ive heard a lot of 'its time for change', but very little of what the change is. I hope for the US's sake you don't have a media focussed government that reacts to events, that changes things for the same of change.

Some things in the election I do find interesting (even hilarious), such as the voting process. I think the maximum amount of time I've ever spent in an election booth is around 30 seconds, in and out on my way home in 5 minutes. the biggest queues being one or two, possibly 5 people.

But basically to me its a US shitfight, and long may it stay so. I do hope that whatever government is elected doesn't interfere in UK affairs as the Clintons did, I hope the next US Government doesn't lead the UK into more daft and illegal wars. In the absence of BLiar and current state of the UK economy I can't see that happening again.

I wish the UK could return the dodgy CDO's and securitised debt back to the creators of the problem (the UK is going to have enough of its own dodgy mortgages to shake out).

Ultimately there is no point worrying about thing you have no influence in, in things that are none of your business. There's more than enough issues to resolve at home without looking over the wall and see what is or ins't going on next door
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Old 11-04-08, 14:15
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Well said.

Although in our defense, we have a lot more people voting in total in a lot more places for state, county and federal elections. It's not the same voting process because there is so much more to it than over there. Though, I was in and out in 5 minutes once they handed me my ballot. It's the process of checking in, verifying id, and reading all the fine print that takes the longest.

I do understand your apathy, because it's all the same for the most part. This time, however we have a chance to reduce the greed and increase our amount of socialism in general. Many people see that as a very good thing, and with a president that is for those things and a senate and house that side with him as the majority... it makes things happen. Sometimes, the wheels have to all be balanced for the great big machine to lurch forward a bit. That's why we are all interested in this election. Change such as unified healthcare, no more tax breaks for the super-wealthy, a mental health system that works, getting out of illegal wars and not taking away the rights of immigrants and women are important issues over here. That's the change we are looking at, instead of all the same old ideologies.
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Old 11-04-08, 14:43
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We are so far removed from the direct information that I suspect virtually no one outside the US is suitable qualified to make an informed decision.
You appear to be laboring under the delusion that people in the U.S. are qualified to make in informed decision. These are the people that elected George Bush, remember? Twice. Instead of much more qualified, intelligent, and level-headed options.

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I do hope that whatever government is elected doesn't interfere in UK affairs as the Clintons did, I hope the next US Government doesn't lead the UK into more daft and illegal wars.
Huh? It was Bush that pulled you into Iraq. What was your beef with Clinton?

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In the absence of BLiar...
Sp???

Sometimes I listen to the BBC news, which is on the radio here at midnight, and it always surprises me how much coverage they give to stories about American politics, and not just in election years. There seems to be at least one report from the U.S. every evening.
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Old 11-04-08, 14:43
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This time, however we have a chance to reduce the greed and increase our amount of socialism in general.
Communist!!!!
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Old 11-04-08, 14:44
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Rly? (Edit -to Mo - that damn Blindman got in first): How much more do you do? We have to prove who we are too. Was it on here somone mentioned how ashamed they are that the self styled home of democracy (not being sarcy - I mean you (the US) eulogise to anyone who will listen) makes it so damn hard to vote.

I had heard that Americans typically relish house and president being from different parties: checks and balances. I take it you see it more inhibitive? Or do you just think a Democrat biased legislature is just needed right now?
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