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Admin or Developer?

Hello,
I took a SQL course last semester in college and I did pretty good in it.
I heard Database related jobs have a good perspective. They will pay well and they they will be in demand.
I was wondering which one of the following has more positions for entry level :

Database Admin
or Database Developer
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I have been both a dba and developer. I prefer development. It seems to me that it requires less time outside of normal working hours, and fewer middle of the night phone calls. I think hardcore production DBA experience is a good thing to have because it will give you an edge of people who have not done it, but I just can not live like that. It is also that I prefer the creative aspect of development more than having to worry about job failures, and backups, and all of the more nuts and bolts tasks DBAs have to worry about. At 37, the Data Architect role still elludes me. It has been waiting as the next promotion at the last 2 jobs and even promised to me by a director at the lasrt company. It will probably never happen and I do not actively pursue it anymore. I almost have my walking away money.
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I was wondering which one of the following has more positions for entry level :

Database Admin
or Database Developer
Uhm....why don't you pursue the path that is more interesting to you?
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@ blindman : I like them both... I think I will enjoy Developer more since you have to always learn new stuff as a developer.

@Thrasymachus: Do you think I will have more chances of getting an entry-level job as a developer or a DBA?
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I think it helps to become a developer first and then, if you still want to, become a DBA. I was hired as a DBA right after college (did all co-op work terms as a DBA as well), but many people I worked with did development prior to switching to DBA.
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No idea. I would say you have to ALWAYS learn both stuff in both positions and in the technology field as whole. Your education is not ending. It is just begining. This field is a lot like being in school forever.
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No idea. I would say you have to ALWAYS learn both stuff in both positions and in the technology field as whole. Your education is not ending. It is just begining. This field is a lot like being in school forever.
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Where to Start?

Try Quality Assurance Testing?

Actually, you could start by separating listing and mounting 6250's or load card decks



Or Pulling Cables for old mainframes that don't exist anymore (by crawling underneath the floor)
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Try Quality Assurance Testing?
I've never done it, but I think it's not too much fun.
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it could be, if you are into blowing up code that you know some scrub developer is writing. It is also a good foundation to be a very good developer

The biggest thing I hear around is

"Oh, THAT'LL NEVER HAPPEN"

Well it usually does, and at the worst possible time

ALWAYS code for every contingency
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Even more than "Well, it worked on my laptop."?
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it could be, if you are into blowing up code that you know some scrub developer is writing. It is also a good foundation to be a very good developer

The biggest thing I hear around is

"Oh, THAT'LL NEVER HAPPEN"

Well it usually does, and at the worst possible time

ALWAYS code for every contingency
I would donate a kidney for a rockstar Quality Assurance person right now. The really good ones can code, and load test, and write automated tests, and they are like all star shutdown NHL Goalies, and the measure of yourself as a develepor is getting shots past them. As much as I have cursed them at the time, I miss them dearly now.
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database developer is easier to find entry jobs.. being database admin needs more responsibility that is not available at an entry job
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There are no "entry level" database developer jobs anywhere i've supported. Same thing for DBAs. Some level of experience is required for these positions.

And i suppose one should consider just exactly what is a "database developer"?
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