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Old 02-07-05, 09:43
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Question how could i change my role to a DBdeveloper?

now i'm a Oracle DBA,what should i do or how could i do ,if i wanna to be a DB developer?
i mean where could be my beginning of entering to the DB developement area?
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Old 02-07-05, 09:58
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i would start by developing an application against one of the databases you're currently adminning (if that's a word)
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Old 02-07-05, 16:55
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rudy is right. You have to learn how to design a database to the needs of an application. You should learn about defining the scope of a problem with management, defining entities, work with analysts on creating ERDs, Normalization, Denormalization, you must also learn how to model for the environment your in. For example if your in a OO environment the techniques differ from traditional modeling.
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Old 02-09-05, 12:51
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thanks for ur advices first.i know u mean that practical experience is critical to a developer,however i also wanna know that what knowledge should i prepare for developement.'coz i think there is a gap betweeen admine and develope, am i right?if yes,what knowledge&methods i should grasp before i do a practical case.
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Old 02-09-05, 13:15
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first thing you should learn is entity-relationship modelling, followed by normalization

personally, i think those subject areas are MUCH more interesting than raid stripes and cluster packs

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Old 02-12-05, 08:28
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thanks! r937! And how about the PL/SQL? it's the general language for DBdeveloping?
do u think it's difficult to study by myself? i just bought a PL/SQL book.
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Old 02-12-05, 08:34
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as an oracle dba, you should already know pl/sql, but a good book can only help you

yes, pl/sql is the language to learn for oracle -- it's actually a "superset" of oracle sql

i would be very surprised, though, if your book spends a lot of time on entity-relationship modelling, which is what you should know to become a developer
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Old 02-12-05, 19:31
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Do you intend to write code or to design a good database?

If you want to write code you should know how to take a logical database design and denormalize it for performance into a physical database. Then you can write optimal code.

If you want to design a good database you have to be able to create a logical database design. Then you can create optimal physical models.

Either way you have to follow what rudy states. You have to understand data models to use them. PL/SQL is just another procedural language primarily developed to enable sequential processing of database rows.
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Old 02-15-05, 07:54
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well, thanks both! certus,i think my choice is to design a good DB and i know i should begin with E-R. Actually presently,i just a newbie,my current role is just a junior DBA,i like my work.However i'm also interested in DB developing,so decied the direction where i'll go further is important to me.
do u think it's possible that i could be a DBA and DBdeveloper? 1 person takes 2 roles.
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Old 02-15-05, 08:35
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do u think it's possible that i could be a DBA and DBdeveloper? 1 person takes 2 roles.
of course it's possible

you could also do business needs analysis and project management

i know several people who do all 4 roles, as they are the only "computer person" in their particular company
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