Ok, i posted earlier about problems adding to my database, but thats fixed...but now i have problems deleting and saving from my database. my problem was that i forgot i added an adodc to my form, but when i changed it back over to data control, i cant edit a record or delete a record from the database, i got a friend to print out his code for his project, but when i use the same type of code (such as just data1.recordset.delete), it wont work. i get the same error message for delete as i do for saving, which is "runtime error '3420': object invalid or no longer set" any suggestions???? im using DAO, i was using DAO with an ADO data control, which was my problem when i tried to add a name, but why do i get these problems when i completely took out adodc and started using all dao???