Seems nothing I have done allows the passwords to transfer properly to the 12.5 machine. I can bcp them out and in to another server (running on win2k) and they work fine there - but bcping them into the 12.5 machine brings no joy. I've tried bcp from the client as well as the 12.5 client (in only - the out was from and I've tried matching character sets (cp850 in this case) but it stillll does not want to work. I can't find anything obvious that says this will be a problem - but perhaps I'm not looking in the right places. I've added the new columns for the 12.5 syslogins table to the bcp file already. That is, it is not bcp failing to insert but rather, the inserts somehow having their password corrupted/changed. Thoughts or suggestions?