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    Unanswered: It's really a strange World over in....

    ...the Access forum...so many bad practices

    Like this one

    http://www.dbforums.com/showthread.p...=1#post6284279
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    I have had my fill of discouragement today, so I am not following the thread but what do you expect from people who work with PlaySkool's "My First Database Engine". Admittedly, it's been a couple of versions of Office since I have dealt with a lot of that crap but I can not imagine it has gotten a lot better nor the average Access practitioner has become that much more of a sophisticated programmer.
    “If one brings so much courage to this world the world has to kill them or break them, so of course it kills them. The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.” Earnest Hemingway, A Farewell To Arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrasymachus
    the average Access practitioner has become that much more of a sophisticated programmer.
    pfffffffffffftttt...sophisticated?

    Scrub, more likely
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett Kaiser
    ...the Access forum...so many bad practices

    Like this one

    http://www.dbforums.com/showthread.p...=1#post6284279
    Could be worse. Could be Excel. Remember the spat I got into the with Excel developer who insisted that spreadsheets were equal to or superior to databases?
    If it's not practically useful, then it's practically useless.

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    No. I think I missed that one.

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    After reading that thread I think I am going to go sit in the corner and cry.

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    I know how much you guys bash Access - but that's how I started!
    I still enjoy using it for small scale stuff.

    I would not be the developer I am today without Access.
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    I think Access is a great product. The problems occur when it is used beyond its capacity.
    If it's not practically useful, then it's practically useless.

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    Yeah, hell, I did a boat load of Access....it's not Access

    It's like giving a loaded gun to a monkey however

    And the Excel thing, I'm in the middle of convert a "system" to .net and SQL

    One of the things they like to do, is cell reference, where that's more difficult to reference rows to each other

    However, what I find is that a lot of it can be handled with math, which the excel "programmers" never take the time to investigate

    Ask an excel "programmer" to do a set based running total

    fuuuuget about it
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    Should this not be in chat?
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    It's a really strange world when the Sybas^H^H^H^H^HSQL Server guys are busting on Access guys...

    I happen to like SQL Server. Most of my work I've done on SQL Server. But let's be honest: better adherence to the SQL standard just means it's more standard, not that it's more relationally correct. And given that most client apps written for SQL Server are done in Visual Basic, you can hardly get all uppity about your choice of imperative languages.

    BTW, Kaiser, why are you criticizing them for utilizing a progress bar? Every human interface guideline I've ever seen, from the original Macintosh HIG manuals to the Windows guidelines, states that if a long task is running that the system should display a progress bar. Where's the bad practice here?

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    Oh, my dear sco08y

    What makes you think a batch process should have the user sit there and watch?

    It is a culture of bs m$ crap, that's what

    Any process that is not in the milliseconds should be a background asynchronous task


    better adherence to the SQL standard just means it's more standard, not that it's more relationally correct.
    "Any Response to that"

    "Yeah: WHAT?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett Kaiser
    Any process that is not in the milliseconds should be a background asynchronous task
    Yeah, that's what the minimize button is for. But I see what you're getting at, and it's really due to deficiencies in the OS.

    Besides, even the so-called server operating systems like Unix require a lot of babysitting of background tasks. And I've never seen a good UI for sifting through log files.

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