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    Unanswered: SSIS - Best Place to Start

    Where is the best place to start for an old dog like me who prefers to do things via scripting and stored procedures (old load then transform methodology) ? I made the jump to DTS with little/no problems but going to SSIS seems to be so much more of a burden for me, and it is beginning to hold me back and the way I do things is beginning to scare some of my clients (don't like reviewing shell scripts in wordpad or notepad as good as they may be).

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    I would advance the discussion by saying that there is no best place to start
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    I get a little of this too. One of our rockstars is a big SSIS guy, whereas I am forever juggling batch files and other such arcane things. So I was in a meeting not too long ago where said rockstar was trying to get me to use SSIS for something and I asked him, and how do I do X in SSIS. He said "oh you have to write a script". I replied, if I have to write a script, why do I have to use SSIS?

    The real answer to the question as to why people want you to use SSIS is because it looks pretty. Managers\clients etc like seeing the little boxes go from yellow to green. I can get around in it just fine, but I have had enough problems with it to avoid it whenever possible.

    Enough said.
    “If one brings so much courage to this world the world has to kill them or break them, so of course it kills them. The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.” Earnest Hemingway, A Farewell To Arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrasymachus
    I get a little of this too. One of our rockstars is a big SSIS guy, whereas I am forever juggling batch files and other such arcane things. So I was in a meeting not too long ago where said rockstar was trying to get me to use SSIS for something and I asked him, and how do I do X in SSIS. He said "oh you have to write a script". I replied, if I have to write a script, why do I have to use SSIS?

    The real answer to the question as to why people want you to use SSIS is because it looks pretty. Managers\clients etc like seeing the little boxes go from yellow to green. I can get around in it just fine, but I have had enough problems with it to avoid it whenever possible.

    Enough said.
    That and I tell them, If I want to migrate this to another server, or use it on another server, all I have to do is change my %SQLServer% variable to that respective server and wala, done, and error messaging ? not this vague BS that has you running around/Googling in circles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrasymachus
    He said "oh you have to write a script".
    Well it gets even better

    Unless the script is to do something like an ftp, or some other "out-worldly" things from the SQL Server environment...then usually, it's to do the "T" of the transformation "Logic"

    WHICH means...that the damn thing will have to apply the "Logic" row by row...or as in a CURSOR

    Which we all know...is berry, berry bad

    Rock star be damned

    Why don't you take one of his long running ETL's and turn it into a bcp load, set based transform update, and share the benchmarks wit da boss...over beers and shots
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    you mean this one..

    DURATION: 3 hours, 59 minutes, 46 seconds
    STATUS: Failed
    because I like the rockstar and I have enough of my own problems.
    “If one brings so much courage to this world the world has to kill them or break them, so of course it kills them. The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.” Earnest Hemingway, A Farewell To Arms.

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    Nice Southern Gentlemen....

    Come up to NY/NJ
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    Ooooh rock stars fix didd not work and it failed again. Late friday for someone.

    That I am but why? So the big city can make me not nice? I really like my team right now and I like this gig. One or the other this might be the last place I code.
    “If one brings so much courage to this world the world has to kill them or break them, so of course it kills them. The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.” Earnest Hemingway, A Farewell To Arms.

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    soooo....the nice Southern Gent ain't gonna help fix the garbage?

    Do they have ActiveX in SSIS like DTS?

    The sheet that I have seen...

    I just inherited a 2k box that some H1 Visa "consultants" built...and stuick around for a year...when manglement finally realized what it was costing and let them go...

    Being the in-house consulting group...I get all the fun

    time for a re-write

    they actually use DTS (Never scheduled mind you) to execute a bat file

    mapped to the U:\ drive

    WHAT THE HELL IS the U Drive?

    Morons don't even know what UNC are

    HAVE FUN
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    Like I said, I avoid it when I can.

    Rockstar is a nice guy. He just needs to stumble a little. A little humility will do him some good and I am a little tired of everyone kissing his arse too.

    Plus it is about time to go home and I have my own projects. That datamart is not mission critical.

    They still have Active X in 2K8 but you can C# and VB.Net as well. I write C# console apps instead when I need stuff like that.
    “If one brings so much courage to this world the world has to kill them or break them, so of course it kills them. The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.” Earnest Hemingway, A Farewell To Arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrasymachus
    The real answer to the question as to why people want you to use SSIS is because it looks pretty. Managers\clients etc like seeing the little boxes go from yellow to green.
    There is a bit more to it than that. SSIS gives you a framework for event and error handling, which is an expensive thing to build from scratch. The data flow architecture of SSIS gives you a single object model that you can code against for any data source. It has a toolbox of common components as well.

    If you just want to execute script then you don't need SSIS but most people are also surely using at least some of the event handling, data pump and so forth as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMASchmed
    Where is the best place to start...
    SSIS Junkie

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    Quote Originally Posted by dportas
    There is a bit more to it than that. SSIS gives you a framework for event and error handling, which is an expensive thing to build from scratch.

    Ummmm...please provide us with a list of some "event" you might be talking about....

    As far as error handling?

    Don't you check for errors in all you code you build? It's no more expensive than any SOP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett Kaiser
    Ummmm...please provide us with a list of some "event" you might be talking about....
    Integration Services Event Handlers

    Don't you check for errors in all you code you build?
    Sure. But many integration processes run around the clock and runtime errors that indicate failures of particular data sources or processes need to be logged with enough information to allow operators to resolve the problem without calling on a programmer. The log provider model used by SSIS is second to none in my experience of integration platforms.

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    Thanks All.

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