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  1. #1
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    Seeking free-lance DB designer ( MySQL )

    Short description:
    Looking for a database designer to design and create a database containing information on the world of gambling. The actual database is to be implemented in MySQL.

    The database is to contain information on:
    - businesses, operators and providors of gambling activities
    - activities, sportsbetting, casino, poker, bingo
    - commercial aspects, promotions, affiliate codes
    - facilities, deposit/withdraw methods and providors

    The purpose of the database is to act as backend to a series of websites. Each website will extract it's data from the database and display that data using an appearance and priority specific to that website.
    Check more project details project here:

    Freelancer.com - Database desing ( gambling industry ) | MySQL | SQL

    or here:
    ( same one )
    Rent A Coder - Database design ( gambling industry )

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    you will forgive me if i seem a bit skeptical but a budget of $250-750 is not going to give you what you're looking for

    add two zeroes and you might actually get something worthwhile that will accomplish your website requirements

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    You are most welcome to be skeptical,
    you'd be surprised how much you can accomplish with that budget.

    There is the possibility my description puts you on the wrong foot so in your own words what do you think it is i'm after ?

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    your description is fine

    i still think the scope of the database is far too big for that budget

    as for your suggestion that i will be surprised, you are quite right on that point, i certainly will be surprised

    please do come back and post a link to the web site when it's finished (which should be soon, yes? i mean, it's a pretty small budget) and let us see the final product
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    The size of budget for this does not neccesarily reflect execution time of the whole,
    after all the actual database is only a small part of the websites.



    For anyone actually interested...
    do a google search on the terms "reviewing rating casino bookmaker poker"
    those are the type of websites i'm looking to make.

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    I fully believe rudy (r937) understood that the scope did not include the websites. Based on many years of work in the development & database field, IMO, you're looking at (at a minimum) two weeks of effort for the design and documentation of the back end database. Possibly, depending upon functional analysis of the project, a month or more.
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    Probably about 30-40 hours in 3 to 4 sessions for the initial version.
    Probably will end up at 2 to 3 weeks but that will be after several versions.

    I guess it does make a big difference if you are somehow already familiar with the on-line gambling world or not.

    It really isn't complicated at all, it's a number of main entities with a fair number of attributes. But then there aren't really that many relationships and none are very complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BettingSherlock View Post
    It really isn't complicated at all, it's a number of main entities with a fair number of attributes. But then there aren't really that many relationships and none are very complicated.
    sounds like you could do it yourself

    by the way, 40 hours for $250 isn't even minimum wage

    most north american or european database designers (such as myself) charge about 10 times minimum wage

    good luck with your south-east asian outsourced database
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    I'm sorry, i didn't know this forum was only for people who charge at least 90$ per hour. ( btw. does that include the attitude or is that extra )

    Who said anything about 250$ for 40 hours, people put in an initial bid price, i look at what they can offer, we enter into a conversation and agree what gets done and for howmuch. The eventual price depends on a number of factors.

    I really don't care what nationality you are or what part of the world you're living in, all i want is a database. Why would i pay 10 times more for the same thing, makes no sense to me. For your information i regularly work with other free-lancers from all parts of the world and yes they are rarely american or west-european because they are simply not competitive pricewise.

    Pretty arrogant of you to think only people living in the "western" world charging 90$ per hour are capable of doing a job like this.

    If you're interested in doing this put in a bid price and tell me what i'm buying for that price, (like about 30 people have already done so far ). If your expertise, service and price represent value for me i will consider accepting.
    Otherwise you're just wasting time, mine and yours.

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    Well...

    the 'going rate' in business is in the $100/hour range.

    The average yearly salary in the US for database developers is probably over 80K/year. When the business adds benefits on top of that yearly rate, a business is paying a developer $60-$70 an hour. Then, you toss in the profit margin for the business, (typically, 50% gross margin for custom development) and you're in the $90-100 per hour range.

    It's not as if the company or the developer is 'gouging' the customer. If the customer hires a developer full time, they will end up paying that much themselves, in developed countries.

    If you go to the India/China you may get a better price, as the cost of living is much lower there. Of course, you also deal with other issues (language/cultural) and there may not be a lot of recourse when you hit one of those barriers.

    The other issue is that with an online sourced developer, you may, or may not get the quality that you need in the finished product. It can be a hit-or-miss thing.
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    I am aware of the 'going rate' in the US and general "Western" world.
    I also know from previous projects that the expertise required for this particular project is available at rates of 20$-30$ . I want to build some websites, not a marslander.

    Thanks for pointing out the specific problems when working with people from other native languages and cultures than my own. I have worked with free-lancers from all over the world on numerous occasions so i know what to look out for.

    The other issue is that with an online sourced developer, you may, or may not get the quality that you need in the finished product. It can be a hit-or-miss thing.
    The point i object to is the offhand assumption that a developer from low wage countries would not be able to do the job a US developer does. Sure there may be a difference in quality, but you can get that amongst US developers just the same.

    This particular project is possible for someone in the 20$-30$ range, say 25$, if i hire a US developer and pay 100$ is that going to get me a database that is 4 times better ? I think not.

    It all comes down to value, you offer a service at a price, best man, all things considered, gets the job. That's the american way isn't it, i've seen the movies


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