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    Certification ?

    Whats your opinion ?

    If I wanted to become certified as a DBA.

    What would be the best system to become certified in ?

    Oracle, Microsoft SQL or what ?

    In terms of Job opportunity, Pay rate and the survivability of the technology.

    Thanks,
    -Areal

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    Seriously? This is how you go about making career decisions?
    I have to tell you...if you think you can read a few books and pass a few exams and then jump right into a career as a DBA, you are going to be rudely surprised.
    If it's not practically useful, then it's practically useless.

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    Look dude or whatever,

    I already have a Phd. in Computer Science.

    Your statement only applies to people who are uneducated
    in IT.

    I was looking for opinions about technology from people who have experience.

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    Follow what you love, the money will come later.

    It seems like everyone that starts in the field expects to make 1.2 bazillion dollars per year straight out of college or after taking a week long course. Any degree is basically a learners permit in the Database arena... Until you have some practical experience in an environment that your potential employers recognize as comparable to their own, your degree is simply another sheet of paper.

    Learn what your customers/employers need, and find out how you can fill that need. If you get calls from a plant foreman at 02:00 with 40 unhappy teamsters that can't load trucks due to database problems then you should probably invest in safety glasses and steel toed boots and WEAR THEM when appropriate. If you get a call from a department chair saying that he'd overheard students discussing the operators leaving the root password posted on their bulletin board, be prepared to discuss with the chair and the operators why that is inappropriate and ways to acheive the same end that are appropriate.

    The database engine or engines that you use become trivial considerations over time. Without any doubt in my mind, I can guarantee you that they will change and will almost certainly change every few years. The only real constant that I've ever found in this industry is change... Everything else succombs to change over time!

    FYI, blindman offered you a pretty good opinion. I'd bet that he was working in this field before you were born. He didn't package his answer well, but sometimes he allows irritation to overcome his wisdom... His opinion is still worth giving some serious thought.

    -PatP
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    You have a Phd in computer science, and this is how you go about choosing a career path?
    What is your current experience? What do you know NOW? What was your concentration in school? What do you ENJOY doing?
    Can you understand that its a little exasperating to have someone come on to the forum, claiming to have a Phd in Computer Science no less, and ask "What's better....Oracle or SQL Server." I can quickly give you all the answers you'll get: "Oracle", "SQL Server", "It depends".
    If you're just chasing the biggest salary, I'd say you made a wrong turn with "Phd in Computer Science".

    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Phelan View Post
    FYI, blindman offered you a pretty good opinion. I'd bet that he was working in this field before you were born.
    Ouch. Only if he got his PHD before the age of 20 Pat....
    If it's not practically useful, then it's practically useless.

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    ...ok, before the age of 25.
    If it's not practically useful, then it's practically useless.

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    As well as good advice offered , have a think about the future of database servers in general? Are they getting bigger? Is there pressure in organisations for less DBAs but bigger database servers. With a Ph.D in Computer Science - you probably have a good idea.
    No question about it - practical experience is absolutely critical - the quicker you get into it the better.
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    Oracle and SQL Server are both going to be around for a long time.
    Cloud computing and storage is not going to replace the need for them.
    There will remain a mix of business needs for database services, from small implementations through large cluster farms.
    A career "Senior Level" DBA will need to have experience on more than one platform.
    In my opinion, a certification and $4.25 in pocket change will get you a nice cup of joe at Starbucks.
    If it's not practically useful, then it's practically useless.

    blindman
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    found a job for him
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    Quote Originally Posted by blindman View Post
    ...ok, before the age of 25.
    I keep forgetting that you're a young pup!

    Now scat, go enjoy the holiday weekend!

    -PatP
    In theory, theory and practice are identical. In practice, theory and practice are unrelated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blindman View Post
    Seriously? This is how you go about making career decisions?
    I have to tell you...if you think you can read a few books and pass a few exams and then jump right into a career as a DBA, you are going to be rudely surprised.
    Not only a rude answer but useless. If someone can't get into the field via certification, the least you could do is hint at how it can be done. I've been trying for years and gotten nowhere.

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    I understand that you got certified in "database" stuff, but please be more specific. Are you looking to get into Microsoft SQL, MySQL, DB2, Oracle, or something else? There are a lot of career paths, and each one has its own benefits and practices that are specific to that particular product/path/etc.

    -PatP
    In theory, theory and practice are identical. In practice, theory and practice are unrelated.

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